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aldolega

Re: Pants

Posted: 2008-01-17 10:22:22

hahaha it's only a matter of time before any rollerblading site is taken over by the discussion of PANTZ!

the main reason pants ripped so much back in the day was because we were wearing huge hard-capped knee pads under them... two or three falls on those and your jeans are toast. also, most skates had metal buckles, and we wore our jeans over the cuff, so that shredded the cuff area of the jeans pretty quick. the bottoms of the jeans being almost as big as the waist also meant they were constantly dragging/catching even when you weren't skating, so that obviously killed the bottom of the legs.

nowadays most people don't wear pads, or if they do they're capless/undercover style. skates have plastic buckles (or no buckles at all, like xsjado), and lots of people tuck their jeans in or they're just too small to really fit over the cuffs.

i think multiple-layered jeans are kind of silly as the holes are still going to fray and look bad even if they're not all the way through the jean... plus you're adding alot of weight and stiffness. i think the baggier dickies are double-knee'd though.

personally, Levi's 514's are perfect.... pretty cheap, lots of colors, stretchy for no restriction, you can get them lots of places, and you can actually look like an adult when you're skating.

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- oldskoolslow
  
  Re: Re: Pants
  
  Posted: 2008-01-17 22:34:13
  
  Hrm, well I guess I'm just a freak then, I went through a pair of cargos last year after two sessions the knees were destroyed as well as the ankles. I was riding bottoms over cuffs and wearing triple 8 kevlar knee pads (which I don't think they sell anymore, but are the BEST bads I've ever worn). They look kinda like these: http://secure.rollerwarehouse.com/item/TSG/KNEE_GASKETS/id/152TSG6402/
  but I think the triple 8 have better coverage. My skates had plastic buckles (k2 nems), but I'm pretty sure the ankles getting chopped up were due to sliding out on ledges (fucking kind grind is teh hard).
  
  I do like dickies pants overall, they have double panel and they're sprayed with some non-stain fabric stiffener thing as well. I'm going to start wearing those out skating and I'll look into the 514s Al.
  
  Thanks for the tips, END DISCUSSION OF PANTZ!
  
  Begin discussion of PADZ!
  Is there any good compromise between safety and style when it comes to pads? I personally wear wrist guards and undercover knee pads when I'm out just doing ledges and shit, but I'll put on a helmet when I want to go to central park and do some (small) gaps. It really saddens me when I hear about people dieing or almost dieing from blading. That pro in the UK and then Cameron card here in the US.....remember folks shit like this can happen:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpwcxWgLh1o
  
  END ME BEING A WHINY MOTHER
  
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- - Jeff
    
    TEH PADZ!!
    
    Posted: 2008-01-18 11:54:27
    
    heh. well, I seem to remember that there were some cool triple 8 knee pads that were covered or something so there wasn't any hard plastic on the outside.. I have no idea where to buy good pads now and i just don't wear them ever anyway -- of course i'm not going out there trying to be a pro or trying to do anything too crazy...
    
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  - - aldolega
      
      Re: TEH PADZ!!
      
      Posted: 2008-01-18 16:36:16
      
      he mentioned the "undercover" triple8's... i used to have some but i stopped wearing pads years ago.
      
      i think as long as you're wearing pads and are aiming for them when you fall your pants are always going to pay the price. i used to be pretty uptight about wearing pads but over the years i just found myself wearing less and less... a helmet doesn't bother me when i'm required to wear it inside but other than that i can't really stand the restriction and bulk of pads. even shinguards bug me although i do wear them occasionally.
      
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    - - memento
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-18 21:46:03
        
        The only thing I need are wristguards. My hands are a bunch of weak mofos
        
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      - Patrick
        
        Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-19 07:56:05
        
        I wear Grand Knee pads. They were made by senate or something like that but marketed differently so other sports would use them.roller warehouse used to have them for $10 a pair. I love them.
        I wish i had some pawn gloves too.
        
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        Patrick
        
        TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-19 07:58:39
        
        Here is a picture of the grands
        http://www.bladeschool.com.au/protect.html
        
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      - Jeff
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-19 08:54:46
        
        On the subject of "aiming for them" -- I remember when I first started doing gaps with my friends. We basically had a falling technique down to utilize the pads. And sometimes we'd end up scraping a little with one kneepad if we were uncertain of the landing too. Not wearing pads makes you have to learn to either roll out of falls or just avoid falling in the first place.
        
        I still maintain that if you're new to skating you should invest in some pads to protect you from stupid things and they may not be a bad thing to throw on when you're trying new stunts even, but for day to day rolling it's not really needed unless you're just killing yourself without them...
        
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      - Patrick
        
        Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-19 18:31:46
        
        Owning my own business and having asthma, my health insurance rates are through the roof so instead of insurance i wear knee pads.
        Better safe than sorry. Plus topsides on ledges always cause me to fall when im not wearing my knee pads.
        
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    - jakeordie
      
      Re: TEH PADZ!!
      
      Posted: 2008-01-19 19:17:53
      
      Bike companies are making good knee pads for wearing under jeans. Shadow Conspiracy is one brand, and Protec have a new knee pad called "Double Down" that looks real good.
      
      This topic brings up a good point my friend made recently, that there is no rollerblade-specific clothing. Ultrawides with 3-panel denim knees, backpacks made to carry skates, & that's about it. Has there been anything made since that I'm forgetting?
      
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    - - aldolega
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-19 20:57:25
        
        grands were sick! i forgot about those. i have a pair kicking around somewhere...
        
        i don't see any clothing made specifically for skateboarding or biking, either... we're all just wearing jeans and tshirts for the most part.
        
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      - jakeordie
        
        Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-19 22:24:22
        
        Snowboard gloves are made with rubber goggle wipers on the thumb.
        Surfboard shorts are made with keyring hooks inside zip pockets.
        Functional details that are specific to the activity, and your gear actually works for what you're doing.
        
        P.S. You don't see the bike-specific knee pads because they're worn under the jeans
        
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        aldolega
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-20 03:17:56
        
        i wasn't talking about pads, though, or snow or water sports, which obviously have an entire environment-immersion thing to deal with. you mentioned rollerblading-specific clothing, and i agree, there is none, unless maybe you count the high stretch factor in the VX jeans, or the lens cloth on that one Ucon shirt.
        
        I just don't think there's a need... do you? All i can think of is that we need more durable jeans that won't wear/fray/
        rip, but i don't see that happening without being really expensive and/or hot, restrictive, etc, and i'd rather buy three or four pairs of $25 normal jeans a year than put up with that.
        
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        jakeordie
        
        Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-20 09:13:18
        
        There's a company that already makes something like you're suggesting for motorbike riders;
        
        http://dragginjeans.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=JEANS_01
        
        I know that rollerblading consumers would be reluctant to buy these for $100 over 4 pairs of $25 jeans. But companies within rollerblading are making jeans, and there's problems to be solved. Here's some ideas;
        
        - Back pockets from this kevlar-denim material (or just patches that look like back pockets) positioned to cover bailing to your hips.
        - Pockets for keys, money, ipod etc. positioned where you won't fall onto them or break them.
        - Elastic or drawstring cuffs.
        
        Do I think there's a need? Let's look at this from another angle; I don't buy clothing from the rollerblade industry. If it actually worked for rollerblading & offered an advantage, I would.
        
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        Law
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-20 10:03:45
        
        Just as a wise ass comment...
        
        If I went to that website without your "for motorbike riders" description, I'd have no idea what these guys were selling.
        
        "Let me get this straight. You want me to sit on the ground behind your truck, hold this rope and keep holding while you drive down the highway? Sounds fun Jesse, but I think I'll pass."
        
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        jakeordie
        
        Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-20 10:32:25
        
        http://dragginjeans.com/custom.aspx?id=1
        
        The video clips are hilarious!
        
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        aldolega
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-20 13:35:37
        
        it seems to me like you're trying to find a solution to something that isn't really a problem. i have yet to see anyone cry out for a solution to their horrible jean-butt-ripping problem. i guarantee those kevlar jeans are hot, inflexible/uncomfortable, and restrictive.
        
        and watch the video, they still rip/fray! there's just an inner layer of kevlar to protect from road rash. rollerbladers aren't coming off of motorcycles and sliding across the road for hundreds of feet at 60mph... we're putting our ass down on grinds, or sliding down quarterpipes. it's a much more gradual process with a much higher premium placed on looks, comfort and non-restriction.
        
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        jakeordie
        
        Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-20 21:44:11
        
        It is a problem for people who skate wearing knee pads & jeans.
        Oldskoolslow started this topic asking for a solution to this problem.
        
        The motorbike jeans are an example of clothing made to suit a specific activity. The point is that rollerblading has very few such examples, and it might be in all our best interests to consider the possibility.
        
        Until then I'll spend my money elsewhere. Isn't that a problem in itself?
        
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        aldolega
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 03:14:59
        
        well by "not really a problem" i mean not a big enough problem for a large enough percentage of rollerbladers to justify/support a corresponding product. i haven't seen anyone walk away from skating for lack of an insanely durable pantaloon, and i know or have known plenty of people who skate with kneepads.
        
        when you say you're spend your money elsewhere, are you buying those motorcycle jeans or something similiar, to address your problem? or are you buying "normal" jeans (roughly equivalent to what's offered within rollerblading) just to spite rollerblading's lack of a bulletproof dungaree?
        
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        aldolega
        
        Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 03:24:46
        
        i think the main issue here is that you're looking at rollerblading clothing as an almost entirely functional item- the present products sold within rollerblading offer no functional benefits for the sport over clothing from outside of the rollerblading market, so why bother? so many other sports are offering clothing that offers these types of benefits, why doesn't ours?
        
        and i can understand that reasoning, but it just doesn't apply to almost any other rollerbladers. i don't think the fact that our sport doesn't really require (or at
        least benefit from) any specific clothing is a weakness (or a market
        opening)- if anything it's a strength.
        
        we wear rollerblading-branded clothing for aesthetic reasons- we like the way it looks and we are proud to be rollerbladers and want to show that off, inside the sport and outside of it. snowboarders wear a $20 burton tshirt in their everyday lives to signify that they snowboard, not their $300 riding pants.
        
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        jakeordie
        
        Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 10:57:33
        
        The purpose of a forum is for open
        discussion & ideally something positive will result.
        This topic is about finding a good kneepad-jeans
        combination.
        
        I understand the importance of
        fashion & aesthetics, but this should be the icing on the cake. Fashion
        should follow function, and ideally be an aesthetic display of the function
        itself. Here’s an example; Nike Air. Nike found a way to make their shoes perform
        better, and integrated the function into the styling of the shoe. They made
        wearing shoes with visible Air soles fashionable, and they made a fortune.
        DISCLAIMER: I don’t wear Nikes or motorbike jeans. I’m giving examples of what
        our industry is not doing by comparison.
        
        I have seen many people quit skating
        due to chronic injury. Knees swollen & scarred, wrists that never fully
        heal, and the occasional head injury. Unlike many sports, rollerblading has not
        developed functional & fashionable gear. The best solution our industry has
        for rollerbladers who want to wear pads is talking them out of it. This might
        be good enough for teenagers or adults skating knee-high ledges, but I need
        more.
        
        This is what kneepads-under-jeans is
        all about, taking a functional solution & making it fashionable. I
        understand that Pro-Designed pads torn through JNCO jeans look stupid, so we
        need a better solution. I have bought knee pads from companies like Fox,
        Pro-tec and 661 who offer a better solution. It’s just a shame that the money I
        pay them won’t do any good for rollerblading.
        
        I know that our industry
        has been in depression for a decade, but nothing justifies the attitude you’re
        promoting. Companies like Nike, Fox, and Quiksilver began by making functional
        sport-specific clothing. Most start-up companies in rollerblading print generic
        clothing with simple logos. There’s a reason Nike can sell generic clothing
        with a simple logo to anyone. They made people’s lives
        better by making better gear for their activities.
        
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        oldskoolslow
        
        Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 19:39:23
        
        woah 22 posts...
        THREAD ABOUT PANTZ WINZ AGAIN
        
        Thanks for the ideas guys, looks like two groups have emerged. The folks that have gotten used to skating with no pads and feel that they just don't work for them for some reason (be it fashion or functional), this would be the position Law & Al are taking. And then there is jakeordie and myself that for some reason (personal preference, no insurance, or we're pussies) like wearing pads.
        
        Ok so we all realize these points of views exist, lets not argue about which group is correct and just comment on techniques and benefits for each. For the non-pad wears, I'd like to know what techniques you guys use to avoid fucking yourselves up. And for those wearing pads, please continue with the kick-ass kevlar pants thread.
        
        Somebody said the pants were $100USD, I can't find them for less than $235. If I can get them for $100 I'll take the bullet (haha, kevlar jeans get it? YOU LOVE MY PUN!) and test them out and report back.
        
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        oldskoolslow
        
        Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 20:26:55
        
        Oh found 'em, http://dragginjeans.com/category.aspx?categoryID=1
        
        Now the same problem I had trying on skates, where the hell can I try on a pair and pick 'em up. I'll look around NYC for 'em.
        
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        oldskoolslow
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 20:30:52
        
        http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-180118.html
        
        Good inf0z there.
        
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        jakeordie
        
        Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 20:35:03
        
        http://danscomp.com/products.php?cat=SAFETYGEAR&show=KneePads
        
        Find them all here, and don't waste your money on the motorbike jeans.
        
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        jakeordie
        
        Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 20:52:11
        
        http://teamblowinit.com/info.html
        
        Designed by Nate Wessel = we have deal.
        
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        aldolega
        
        Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-21 21:06:36
        
        http://www.triple8.com/main3/pg_8.html
        
        looks like triple8 still makes an undercover pad, too... give those a look too. although the BMX pads seem like they'd be less restrictive because of all the pedaling they do... i liked my triple8's back in the day but they were the ones with an internal cap, these ones are just neoprene sleeves with some padding and a kevlar skin. triple8 is based in NYC, maybe you could get some right from the source:
        
        http://www.triple8.com/main3/pg_16.html
        
        i wouldn't say i use any specific technique when falling, haha.... "don't get hurt", i suppose. i am old and creaky though, so my skating is pretty weaksauce nowadays... rarely anything above my knees or with any sort of serious slant to it. so i guess for me it's not as much an issue as someone who's still pushing their limits hard.
        
        although every injury i've had, even those back when i was more daring, and wearing pads, would not have been helped or prevented by wearing pads... actually i broke a bone in my wrist while wearing wristguards!
        
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        oldskoolslow
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-22 20:59:39
        
        lol, I've been to the 888 HQ before back in 05, it was in an office building and I thought they had a show room or something. So I saw the door and walked right in w/o knocking...it was a very small office with a couple desks and the two people working there looked up at me with this "WTF is this dude doing" look on their face. I said something like..."Oh I guess there is no show room here" and closed the door. NEVER TO RETURN!
        
        The 888 second skin pads are the ones I have, they're the best pads I've ever owned, but they could do with a better strap system and a more asymmetric neoprene shape (human knees are NOT shaped like perfect cylinders). Sometimes I feel like I could make some cool ass equipment, if only I had 1) artist skill to realize my thoughts into mock-up 2) The business sense to start a manufacturing company (I've started Intellectual property companies, but that shit is easy...itz all in your head) 3) Had the time
        
        The BMX pads look dope, I think they've got the right idea for design.
        
        Al-
        sucks about the broken wrist w/ pads on, I have a feeling blading wrist pads are not ideal for fracture prevention. Just impact dampening and abrasion resistance.
        
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        aldolega
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-23 14:41:34
        
        hahaha that's funny... i wonder how many random skaters they've had show up at their office.
        
        the Grand pads were the best i ever had in terms of fit and absolutely no restriction on knee movement. the only problem i had with them, that i've had with every pad ever, is that my thighs are huge... so the top of the pad would either be just right and the middle/bottom too loose, or the top would be way too tight and the middle/bottom would be ok.... either way i never found a pad that stayed in place well before i just stopped wearing them altogether.
        
        the second skins are nice but you're right, they're pretty much just a straight neoprene tube. if you can figure out how they need to be re-profiled it might not be too hard to cut some of the stitching and trim what's needed and sew them back up again. actually a show repair place or a good tailor could probably do the reassembly for you for pretty cheap. but the BMX pads are probably still the best bet.
        
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        aldolega
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-23 14:45:39
        
        oh and as for wrist guards: i think most do a really good job of protecting you... i just happened to fall on the outside of my hand (karate-chop style) and my wrist rotated and crushed a bone on the inside... i can't see any realistic wrist guard design that could have prevented it, unfortunately.
        
        Triple8's Hired Hands glove/guards are really nice, good materials and you can remove/replace the splints.
        
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        smirnus
        
        Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-27 16:41:52
        
        The was a topic started on be-mag about helmet usage and someone posted a beanie with some protective padding. Google "ribcap"
        
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        oldskoolslow
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: TEH PADZ!!
        
        Posted: 2008-01-30 01:20:44
        
        http://www.ribcap.ch/cms/pages/index.php?lang=4&idcat=42
        looks dope...wish I had this at the start of winter. This wont work for the southern folks thought
        
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