Posted: 2008-01-19 22:24:22
Snowboard gloves are made with rubber goggle wipers on the thumb.
Surfboard shorts are made with keyring hooks inside zip pockets.
Functional details that are specific to the activity, and your gear actually works for what you're doing.
P.S. You don't see the bike-specific knee pads because they're worn under the jeans
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Posted: 2008-01-20 03:17:56
i wasn't talking about pads, though, or snow or water sports, which obviously have an entire environment-immersion thing to deal with. you mentioned rollerblading-specific clothing, and i agree, there is none, unless maybe you count the high stretch factor in the VX jeans, or the lens cloth on that one Ucon shirt.
I just don't think there's a need... do you? All i can think of is that we need more durable jeans that won't wear/fray/
rip, but i don't see that happening without being really expensive and/or hot, restrictive, etc, and i'd rather buy three or four pairs of $25 normal jeans a year than put up with that.
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Posted: 2008-01-20 09:13:18
There's a company that already makes something like you're suggesting for motorbike riders;
http://dragginjeans.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=JEANS_01
I know that rollerblading consumers would be reluctant to buy these for $100 over 4 pairs of $25 jeans. But companies within rollerblading are making jeans, and there's problems to be solved. Here's some ideas;
- Back pockets from this kevlar-denim material (or just patches that look like back pockets) positioned to cover bailing to your hips.
- Pockets for keys, money, ipod etc. positioned where you won't fall onto them or break them.
- Elastic or drawstring cuffs.
Do I think there's a need? Let's look at this from another angle; I don't buy clothing from the rollerblade industry. If it actually worked for rollerblading & offered an advantage, I would.
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Posted: 2008-01-20 10:03:45
Just as a wise ass comment...
If I went to that website without your "for motorbike riders" description, I'd have no idea what these guys were selling.
"Let me get this straight. You want me to sit on the ground behind your truck, hold this rope and keep holding while you drive down the highway? Sounds fun Jesse, but I think I'll pass."
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Posted: 2008-01-20 10:32:25
http://dragginjeans.com/custom.aspx?id=1
The video clips are hilarious!
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Posted: 2008-01-20 13:35:37
it seems to me like you're trying to find a solution to something that isn't really a problem. i have yet to see anyone cry out for a solution to their horrible jean-butt-ripping problem. i guarantee those kevlar jeans are hot, inflexible/uncomfortable, and restrictive.
and watch the video, they still rip/fray! there's just an inner layer of kevlar to protect from road rash. rollerbladers aren't coming off of motorcycles and sliding across the road for hundreds of feet at 60mph... we're putting our ass down on grinds, or sliding down quarterpipes. it's a much more gradual process with a much higher premium placed on looks, comfort and non-restriction.
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Posted: 2008-01-20 21:44:11
It is a problem for people who skate wearing knee pads & jeans.
Oldskoolslow started this topic asking for a solution to this problem.
The motorbike jeans are an example of clothing made to suit a specific activity. The point is that rollerblading has very few such examples, and it might be in all our best interests to consider the possibility.
Until then I'll spend my money elsewhere. Isn't that a problem in itself?
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Posted: 2008-01-21 03:14:59
well by "not really a problem" i mean not a big enough problem for a large enough percentage of rollerbladers to justify/support a corresponding product. i haven't seen anyone walk away from skating for lack of an insanely durable pantaloon, and i know or have known plenty of people who skate with kneepads.
when you say you're spend your money elsewhere, are you buying those motorcycle jeans or something similiar, to address your problem? or are you buying "normal" jeans (roughly equivalent to what's offered within rollerblading) just to spite rollerblading's lack of a bulletproof dungaree?
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Posted: 2008-01-21 03:24:46
i think the main issue here is that you're looking at rollerblading clothing as an almost entirely functional item- the present products sold within rollerblading offer no functional benefits for the sport over clothing from outside of the rollerblading market, so why bother? so many other sports are offering clothing that offers these types of benefits, why doesn't ours?
and i can understand that reasoning, but it just doesn't apply to almost any other rollerbladers. i don't think the fact that our sport doesn't really require (or at
least benefit from) any specific clothing is a weakness (or a market
opening)- if anything it's a strength.
we wear rollerblading-branded clothing for aesthetic reasons- we like the way it looks and we are proud to be rollerbladers and want to show that off, inside the sport and outside of it. snowboarders wear a $20 burton tshirt in their everyday lives to signify that they snowboard, not their $300 riding pants.
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Posted: 2008-01-21 10:57:33
The purpose of a forum is for open
discussion & ideally something positive will result.
This topic is about finding a good kneepad-jeans
combination.
I understand the importance of
fashion & aesthetics, but this should be the icing on the cake. Fashion
should follow function, and ideally be an aesthetic display of the function
itself. Here’s an example; Nike Air. Nike found a way to make their shoes perform
better, and integrated the function into the styling of the shoe. They made
wearing shoes with visible Air soles fashionable, and they made a fortune.
DISCLAIMER: I don’t wear Nikes or motorbike jeans. I’m giving examples of what
our industry is not doing by comparison.
I have seen many people quit skating
due to chronic injury. Knees swollen & scarred, wrists that never fully
heal, and the occasional head injury. Unlike many sports, rollerblading has not
developed functional & fashionable gear. The best solution our industry has
for rollerbladers who want to wear pads is talking them out of it. This might
be good enough for teenagers or adults skating knee-high ledges, but I need
more.
This is what kneepads-under-jeans is
all about, taking a functional solution & making it fashionable. I
understand that Pro-Designed pads torn through JNCO jeans look stupid, so we
need a better solution. I have bought knee pads from companies like Fox,
Pro-tec and 661 who offer a better solution. It’s just a shame that the money I
pay them won’t do any good for rollerblading.
I know that our industry
has been in depression for a decade, but nothing justifies the attitude you’re
promoting. Companies like Nike, Fox, and Quiksilver began by making functional
sport-specific clothing. Most start-up companies in rollerblading print generic
clothing with simple logos. There’s a reason Nike can sell generic clothing
with a simple logo to anyone. They made people’s lives
better by making better gear for their activities.
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Posted: 2008-01-21 19:39:23
woah 22 posts...
THREAD ABOUT PANTZ WINZ AGAIN 
Thanks for the ideas guys, looks like two groups have emerged. The folks that have gotten used to skating with no pads and feel that they just don't work for them for some reason (be it fashion or functional), this would be the position Law & Al are taking. And then there is jakeordie and myself that for some reason (personal preference, no insurance, or we're pussies) like wearing pads.
Ok so we all realize these points of views exist, lets not argue about which group is correct and just comment on techniques and benefits for each. For the non-pad wears, I'd like to know what techniques you guys use to avoid fucking yourselves up. And for those wearing pads, please continue with the kick-ass kevlar pants thread.
Somebody said the pants were $100USD, I can't find them for less than $235. If I can get them for $100 I'll take the bullet (haha, kevlar jeans get it? YOU LOVE MY PUN!) and test them out and report back.
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Posted: 2008-01-21 20:26:55
Oh found 'em, http://dragginjeans.com/category.aspx?categoryID=1
Now the same problem I had trying on skates, where the hell can I try on a pair and pick 'em up. I'll look around NYC for 'em.
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Posted: 2008-01-21 20:30:52
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-180118.html
Good inf0z there.
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Posted: 2008-01-21 20:35:03
http://danscomp.com/products.php?cat=SAFETYGEAR&show=KneePads
Find them all here, and don't waste your money on the motorbike jeans.
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Posted: 2008-01-21 20:52:11
http://teamblowinit.com/info.html
Designed by Nate Wessel = we have deal.
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Posted: 2008-01-21 21:06:36
http://www.triple8.com/main3/pg_8.html
looks like triple8 still makes an undercover pad, too... give those a look too. although the BMX pads seem like they'd be less restrictive because of all the pedaling they do... i liked my triple8's back in the day but they were the ones with an internal cap, these ones are just neoprene sleeves with some padding and a kevlar skin. triple8 is based in NYC, maybe you could get some right from the source:
http://www.triple8.com/main3/pg_16.html
i wouldn't say i use any specific technique when falling, haha.... "don't get hurt", i suppose. i am old and creaky though, so my skating is pretty weaksauce nowadays... rarely anything above my knees or with any sort of serious slant to it. so i guess for me it's not as much an issue as someone who's still pushing their limits hard.
although every injury i've had, even those back when i was more daring, and wearing pads, would not have been helped or prevented by wearing pads... actually i broke a bone in my wrist while wearing wristguards!
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Posted: 2008-01-22 20:59:39
lol, I've been to the 888 HQ before back in 05, it was in an office building and I thought they had a show room or something. So I saw the door and walked right in w/o knocking...it was a very small office with a couple desks and the two people working there looked up at me with this "WTF is this dude doing" look on their face. I said something like..."Oh I guess there is no show room here" and closed the door. NEVER TO RETURN!
The 888 second skin pads are the ones I have, they're the best pads I've ever owned, but they could do with a better strap system and a more asymmetric neoprene shape (human knees are NOT shaped like perfect cylinders). Sometimes I feel like I could make some cool ass equipment, if only I had 1) artist skill to realize my thoughts into mock-up 2) The business sense to start a manufacturing company (I've started Intellectual property companies, but that shit is easy...itz all in your head) 3) Had the time
The BMX pads look dope, I think they've got the right idea for design.
Al-
sucks about the broken wrist w/ pads on, I have a feeling blading wrist pads are not ideal for fracture prevention. Just impact dampening and abrasion resistance.
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Posted: 2008-01-23 14:41:34
hahaha that's funny... i wonder how many random skaters they've had show up at their office.
the Grand pads were the best i ever had in terms of fit and absolutely no restriction on knee movement. the only problem i had with them, that i've had with every pad ever, is that my thighs are huge... so the top of the pad would either be just right and the middle/bottom too loose, or the top would be way too tight and the middle/bottom would be ok.... either way i never found a pad that stayed in place well before i just stopped wearing them altogether.
the second skins are nice but you're right, they're pretty much just a straight neoprene tube. if you can figure out how they need to be re-profiled it might not be too hard to cut some of the stitching and trim what's needed and sew them back up again. actually a show repair place or a good tailor could probably do the reassembly for you for pretty cheap. but the BMX pads are probably still the best bet.
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Posted: 2008-01-23 14:45:39
oh and as for wrist guards: i think most do a really good job of protecting you... i just happened to fall on the outside of my hand (karate-chop style) and my wrist rotated and crushed a bone on the inside... i can't see any realistic wrist guard design that could have prevented it, unfortunately.
Triple8's Hired Hands glove/guards are really nice, good materials and you can remove/replace the splints.
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Posted: 2008-01-27 16:41:52
The was a topic started on be-mag about helmet usage and someone posted a beanie with some protective padding. Google "ribcap"
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Posted: 2008-01-30 01:20:44
http://www.ribcap.ch/cms/pages/index.php?lang=4&idcat=42
looks dope...wish I had this at the start of winter. This wont work for the southern folks thought
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